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Filipina girls are wise and they know how to make money easily. There are few, continuous roads that piece out of the city and fully connect a traveler to other places like Terelj, Erdenet, Darkhan, etc. So forget about 25 years you are so generously giving Mongolia. It happened when one nation came to fight with another. A Filipino woman is very loyal and print to her man. No one falls in love madly after a few hours of chatting. Unlucky we broke up for other reasons regardless of our relationship. I know everything will again look different upon arrival, as would a Mongolian bride were I to take one. I often piece messages for my partner dating mongolian woman read in the style of Fifty shades of Grey.
This is in response to our most recent Guest Offender blog by Anne Ishii about which btw, I thought was very well written and funny. But, as an Asian American male, I would like to present a different point of view. It takes a great deal of inspiration to get me to write. Wet kiss all over and under. Here goes… UB City aka Ulan Bator is one of the most isolated and poorest cities in the world. There are few, continuous roads that lead out of the city and fully connect a traveler to other places like Terelj, Erdenet, Darkhan, etc. To be in UB City is to be trapped in modern time limbo. There are no pictures of Brad Pitt and the watch he prefers or Madonna hawking her Louis Vuitton or David Beckham sporting his bump via Calvin Klein. And stay out of Mongolia they have except for one area — commodities. What does this all mean? Two things… 1 Mongolian cultures, values, traditions, gender roles, and self-confidence are more easily maintained on a day to day basis by the average Mongolian, young and old. Because the society is not overly inundated by media trying to warp their needs into wants in order to sell them stuff creating dissatisfaction of self, status, stuff, body, clothes, cars, etc. In most modern, Western nations, people see images of what is cool via TV, movies, magazines, etc. Then they take those clothes and marry them to the personalities they find so attractive way of talking, walking, aura and presto, a new you is created. Basically, many folks in the West are either buying, borrowing, or quickly adopting their personalities but not earning it. They are exposed to outside influences and basically cover, paint, and adopt what they think is cool without ever having to do the internal work of naturally cultivating their personal and true image. In short, a good number of people in the west are just faking it. This is not to say that Mongolians are 100% pure and know themselves authentically. Nowhere is there a true Shangri-La. Because their malls most likely do not carry it. And, there are no malls there are big stores but not a Western mega mall. Because the ladies there have to build it themselves. If they see something they like of a Western name brand, most likely, they will have to go to their local fashion marts and piece together stuff that most approximates their thoughts. Basically, they have to build it, they have to earn it. Which brings us back to men, Asian American men, and how they could learn a thing or two from Mongolian men. True or not true? There certainly does exist a self-assured, non self-conscious man essence running through the veins of many Mongolian men especially those outside of UB City who live the nomadic life. I saw a lot of that traveling through many parts of the country. However, this is something that may not last for very much longer. And another Mongolia, the youth, though very small but growing fast, bursting at the seams ambitious to modernize, to Westernize, and to change. I believe, inevitably, that the latter will ultimately win out. How long will it take? But when it does happen, many of the Mongolian ideal core values of family, honor, masculinity, gender balance, etc. To go to Mongolia as an Asian American man or just plain man and to learn to be more masculine and less self-reflexive from the Mongolian male is more a study in archeology than it is a study of the future. How will things change if and when the multi-national, capitalistic conglomerates decide to officially take root and populate through Mongolia? But if history is any indicator, immigrating, modern capitalism will morph indigenous culture into something much more self-reflective of their personal ideals, values, and points of view. His legend dwarfs this monument... I am an Asian American male and I can personally validate that there are truths to those comments unfortunately. JP Morgan, Marcus Goldman, Andrew Carnegie, John D. But the cards are stacked severely against you and making it happen may take many years, decades, and most likely generations of your people pushing for and demanding change. So back to America… the plight of the Asian American male and all of his insecurities is really a by-product of the Asian American male butting up against the pre-establishment and wanting something better for him and his future. There are those who want and those who have. And because of that, there are a lot of sociological and psychological definitions thrown upon them that are less than flattering. Truth be told, the Asian American male has been down there for quite some time now. But we still have a ways to go. Again balance not dominance takes time. As for the Asian American female? This is not to say that it has been easy for the Asian American female, but in contemporary American society, an Asian American female has many more positive and desirable associations attached to their aura when compared to that of the Asian American male. Or, to put it bluntly, Asian American females get invited to the party while the Asian American males do not. And from a dating perspective, AA females are more universally accepted by all ethnicities of American men and globally while the AA male is still trying to justify his worth to ladies of all colors and varieties. And tested they will be some day soon. Yes, I know Mongolia has had a history of global conquest on the backs Takhi horses led by the great Genghis Khan. It was and will forever be a most glorious history. For many years, the Mongolian male was the global alpha dude. But that was a long time ago in a time long past. As for the more recent decades, Mongolia has been left in relative isolation, a bit lost in time as much of the world around it modernized and evolved. Only time will tell. The girls are beginning to idolize Korean stars and many of the Mongolian male youth want to be like them too. Only time will tell if the uber-masculine, less self-reflexive Mongolian male identity will survive this inevitable thrust into modern times. But if history is an indicator, there are those that want masses and those that have elite. For many years, during the era of Genghis Khan, the Mongolians were on the have side. This time around, they are on the other side, the want side — just like the Asian Americans in North America today. The center of UB City Very nteresting essay. They rode domestic Mongol horses, the same ones as the herders ride today. Takhi are the only remaining true species of wild horse and they are highly endangered. No one has ever successfully tamed one. They do often have a certain presence and quiet confidence. And it would be a shame if that disappeared from the culture. Check out the big brain on Roger! God damn, that was some keen ass insight. For years, the very idea of a place like Mongolia, where the sky is blue and wide and Asian men are real Asian men, has given me comfort whenever I saw the latest Asian American minstrel clown emasculate himself for a few throwaway jokes. In a former life, I once met some government types from Mongolia. They were exploring various satellite broadcast programming options. I would not want to be on the wrong side of a fight with them. Roger — GREAT piece. Dear Roger, Been a while since your last visit to Mogolia, no? Nor have you kept up very well on the news about Mongolia in the last six months or so… A few corrections: There are paved roads from UB to quite a few places these days. It has been quite a few years now that you could reach Terelj without an SUV. Even at the time of your last visit which at the most must have been no later than summer 2006 the UB city was full of pubs, bars, cafes and night clubs. These places in turn were full of people — not only tourists mind you! As poor as the country is, most stores, restaurants, bars and clubs accept credit and debit cards these days did also back in 2006. As poor as the country is, luxury labels Burberry and Louis Vuittion opened their stores in UB last fall. Now to your analysis of the culture: dearest Roger, I will sum up the experiences of our country and culture until today in the following two sentence: 1. Mongolia went from feudalism under foreign occupation! Why I mention this? So forget about 25 years you are so generously giving Mongolia. It will take at least one generation for us to develop a system of values and interests to call our own. Mongolian woman Thanks for your insight and points of view. Because the Mongolian people possess a genuine nature, a love for their country, a love for people, a love for family, and a genuine belief in the equality of people. For this to change would be unfortunate. All too often people attribute modern Western conveniences as a sign of positive progress. Is it positive progress…uh, sometimes? In a rush to modernize, many cultures try and quickly copy what is most modern and most foreign cool at the expense of their own culture and historical identity. Is this currently happening in Mongolia? You probably know better than me. Case in point…walk into a Mongolian night club with a Louis Vuittion bag or a purse made in Mongolia? Modernism aka capitalism tends to do that. Are they truly the uber-masculine, less self-reflexive men that people herald them to be? Protect it and nurture it. Can someone please comment on the status of women in Mongolia? Most if not all other Asian cultures have a sometimes undeserved reputation for being patriarchal and treating women like second class citizens, as if Western women live in a paradise of equality free from any sexism. Is chivalry not dead in Mongolia? Points definitely well taken, Roger. I really liked this thread. Roger makes a really good point in my opin. In that aspect, I think the chasm is the largest among any race. Also, I think that the AA male is still changing. We have not reached a plateau in accomplishment. Nice wild card with the Korean ent. What can Brown do for you? Well it can help you write a badass essay. Marrying her was like getting a piece of what it means to be truly Asian. Many Asian nations have lost their identity through imperialism and colonization. If you read the history of Mongolians, every man, woman and child has had to contribute to the family structure in order to survive. While there are only 3 million Mongolians, they are a hardy people. Many Asians should take notice, there is strength to be gained and learned from our northern Asian brothers. Three weeks back in the States and miss Mongolia like crazy. When their GNP triples, things are going to get gnarly over there. All I can hope for is that Mongol values which are so deeply ingrained in the people I met and fell in love with there remain a part of the decisions that Mongols make about their future and their most valuable resources — their land and their children. On the MANgolia tip, as an Asian American woman, I went 33 years without ever being with an Asian or Asian American man. In Mongolia, I had two, and it was AWESOME. It was and will forever be a most GLORIOUS HISTORY. For many years, the Mongolian male was the global ALPHA DUDE. The glass half full perspective can potentially be one about honor, duty, sacrifice, and making the right choices even if they are very hard. And plenty of other interpretations in between. You, however, interpreted it differently. But rape, misogyny, and the justifiable demeaning treatment of women as a major or minor theme of the piece? But the cards are stacked severely against you and making it happen may take many years, decades, and most likely generations of your people pushing for and demanding change. For a simple but accurate example, look at the most prominent chinese female actresses — gong li, michelle yeoh, zhang ziyi — all are dating or married to white men. Each of these women used asian men as stepping stones on their way to getting the true objects of their desire — white men. This is because asian men do not have what that kind of asian woman wants — whiteness. They will use their own ethnicity when it suits them, but these type of asian women love dating white men and being around white people in general because it helps them forget their pain of being born asian. Because most women around the world in cultures that have caved in to western influence take their cues from white women. Interesting article Roger props to you, i would like to feed to your article with a lot of useful information as an Mongolian male, but it will take to much time, i have read all the opinions of people, its just very interesting for me to hear what Americans or the world matter fact think of Mongolian men now a days. All i wanna say is that everyone is different, whether the country has 3 million or 1 billion, some men are strong some are week,. I did try to be cool westrenized person. Except for Bruce Lee — I have yet to meet a woman that would have turned his down. And did anybody see Rain in Ninja Assassin? The only reason to buy that movie was to drool over his chiseled abs. Which of course is another blatant stereotype about Asian American men. I always thought a lot of them were cute, but the culture can be super closed off. So now I live in Korea where I can drool over the hot Asian boys all day — while they look at ugly white girls. Can I just totally hijack the comments and say that down at the bottom of the barrel with Asian American men are African-American women? Though I disagree with some of your points. We hold our prides high as Mongolians, and I am sure that our culture will not be so easily defeated by the modern culture. Even though its prospering in high speed, and changing our surface of youths, their insides are still pure Mongolians. No, Mongolians will not be easily brought down like other races due to one simple reason, we belong to the Central Asian race. Central Asians were the greatest warriors and winners in history. Their history, glory, and seed are all over the planet. This white takeover in recent years is really an abberation in world history. The dominant military force in the majority of mankind have been Turko-Mongol nomad warriors. You can see this proof in the Huns, Xiongnu, GokTurks, Seljuks, Xianbei, Khitan, Kara Khitai, Avars, Magyars, Ottoman Turks, Mongols, Tatars, Kazaks, Kyrgyz, Uighur, Oirats, Manchus, etc. No other race comes even close to such dominance. The only reason why Mongolia is in such pitiful shape today is because all the other Central Asian nations are in the same condition. Once every Central Asian finally lifts the post-colonial yoke that is still plaguing our souls can we finally unite and become great again. Central Asians, Turko-Mongols, number one, forever. As a mongolian dude, I never thought of myself as an asian, I mean like china, korea, japan etc Cause mongolians belong to Central asia maybe not geographically but by dna , and central asian people are really, by really i mean a lot, different from those other asians like most of Asian american. I remember when i had my first fight I was expecting them to be stronger, or at least equal to my mongolian fellows, but in real life they were much weaker or couldnt fight at all. As years went by my number of opponents fights got more, but still it was much easier to fight against white people then a mongolian guy. I had few friends from mongolia and when we were together in a bar or pub we were unbeatable. So please dont think of mongolians as if we are the same to most Asians, remember we are the sons of Chinggis. And it is true that they most Mongolian men are very self assured and confident and manly heck even 6year old boys walk around with 6 packs! As to Mongolian woman…it is said that Chinggis Ghengis Khan only feared 2 things: dogs and his wife. Like any place Mongolia has its good sides and bad…. I only hope that when our son grows up that he will have that Mongolian pride and ingenuity and manliness that make many Mongolian men and women so great at living their lives true to and confident in themselves. Wow what an insightful post. When I first discovered Mongolian life and philosophy, I decided I needed to go there. I am Irish , and have been to the USA, I have only met a few Americans white males , and i found them to be very insure, there were always talking about there relationships and how they are feeling and there emotions. The other sort of American white male i met was the muscled gym type , there sort of loud pushy shouty types no substance or manners all bravo which is another form of insecurity. None of the girlfriends i had could put up with that sort of Bill Crystal, woody Allen types men or a meat head. To be a man you first have to be content within yourself, this contentment come from knowing who and what you are, and what your values are and family. These are where the essence or manliness come from , they are not found in magazine or a new pair of jeans or pop culture or down the gym. In fact the opposite is true. Most Asian cultures try very hard to control the individual. From an early age kids are taught what to think and how to behave more than their Western counterparts. The reason why Asian women are given more credit than Asian men in America is linked to this. Many Asian women are hot and attract men by their looks, whilst many Asian men have been held back because they were controlled so much when they were kids. Well Mongolian men are more manly than the average Asian BECAUSE they live in a different social struture. Mongolian society values physical strength more so relative to many other Asian societies. But Mongolians and outdoors men in general are more MANLY than their counterparts in the cities. Can someone here please talk about romantic relationships in Mongolia, and how they work? My bf is a manly Mongolian, but I have a hard time understanding him. Sometimes he is sooo sweet, but other times he will insult me until I cry. He is really smart and sooo gorgeous. I wish I could understand him betterr, but I can hardly find anything information. When did you go to UB???. I lived there and they are connected to the world! There were many billboards, big department stores with Gucci LV ROLEX and etc. I am not Mongolian but I hate it when people say that mongolians are from ancient. I met many beautiful stylish girls with iPhone and stuff. Actually youths can just go and buy things they wanted. I am a high school teacher by the way. But I agree about the mongolian men. I am angry with such men who wrote such article!!! Your uncle Sam, George Bush and Obama shamelessly asked Mongols to go to Afganistan and Iraq. We are keeping PEACE in Sudan, Chad, Sierro Leon in Africa helping poor people while you assholes insult, spy, kill own friends. By the way, our average IQ is much higher than average american man! Addition: U can see every Mongolian guys except for me are very angry in comments. I guess they did not understand you dat much or they are upset about you said Mongolia is poor. Here is the tasks of being real Mongolian man. I can confidently say that it is not GENETIC!!!! We were taught the same thing since we got conscious for centuries and milleniums. IT IS NOW ALMOST OBSELETE UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO MODERN SOCIETY ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS respect people around you. And thousands of things like this. Mostly I agree with you about Mongolia and mongolian men. Of course there has been changes. Last year mongolian economy growth was 16% which is 1st place of the world. I think this nomad life we have makes us like this. I completely agree Western life threaten nomad. I hope more Mongolians see this, instead of being tough guys. Typically this nomad life makes us Mongolian and different from the world. People especially Mongolians need to take good care of this. Also after 100, 500, 1000 years later, our century will be history. Iphone will be a legend. There has been and will be always evolution in the world. We actually are writing the world history as well. Plus protect our unique life at least some part add some good stuff, if necessary. The world had lived without Christmas, New moon, New year, Thanks giving. So be ready for changes. I have read about few Mongolian teenagers post. He meant something else. Try to dig more. For the author: like I said I live in state. Asian American men do not have any chance like rest???? I love to have fun or tease any women over any guy, unless the girl is all about big bank account gold digging. But theres always always chance. So good luck with it!
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